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1 Wolverine on Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:26 am

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Discuss and review anything related to the character, its many appearances and the ongoing books Dark Wolverine and Wolverine Origins.

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2 Re: Wolverine on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:13 pm

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I've gotta say, when I started collecting again about 2 years ago I shied away from all things mutant. I couldn't stomach the over-exposure and over hype, especially of everyone's favorite mutant- Wolverine. The 90s really killed both the character and mutants in general for me. But on a friend's (ok, several friends') recommendation, I picked up Old Man Logan HC. I was blown away. The art was gorgeous and the story was brutal and moving. I know it was only one arc, but is the series usually THAT good? If so, I may need to add it to my pull list (I know, I'll be adding the Weapon X Wolverine, not the new Dark Wolverine).

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3 Re: Wolverine on Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:02 pm

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Ugh, it was terrible.

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4 Re: Wolverine on Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:05 pm

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Sir Not wrote:I've gotta say, when I started collecting again about 2 years ago I shied away from all things mutant. I couldn't stomach the over-exposure and over hype, especially of everyone's favorite mutant- Wolverine. The 90s really killed both the character and mutants in general for me. But on a friend's (ok, several friends') recommendation, I picked up Old Man Logan HC. I was blown away. The art was gorgeous and the story was brutal and moving. I know it was only one arc, but is the series usually THAT good? If so, I may need to add it to my pull list (I know, I'll be adding the Weapon X Wolverine, not the new Dark Wolverine).

OML has mixed reviews, but yeah compared to a lot of the 90's stuff, it's a masterpiece. I would say that not every arc is that good, but there was a really good arc called "Get Mystique", that's a pretty good arc from about a year in a half ago. Also since you liked OML, you might want to check out "Enemy Of The State". That was a pretty good, crazy arc.

Dark Wolverine is good, the last arc is ending up to be 'meh' but the previous arc was great. Daken is an interesting character.

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5 Re: Wolverine on Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:03 pm

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Hey! NOT DEAD YET by Warren Ellis was pretty good, albeit a very quick read. I suggest it for those looking for SOMETHING Wolvie redeeming from the 90's.

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6 Re: Wolverine on Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:50 pm

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Wolverine Origins #42

Way has done a great job with the follow up to the big Romulus reveal. This book could have fizzled out after that reveal, but the story has just gotten even more interesting with the inclusion of Banner and Skaar, Silver Samurai, and Cloak. Plus I love that the story is including Japan a little, always enjoyed Logan's connections to Japan and Japanese culture. Seeing Silver Samurai call Logan "gaijin" was a nice touch lol. Overall good issue, Logan's plan looks like its got Romulus a tad nervous.

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7 Re: Wolverine on Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:09 pm

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Bigtymin504 wrote:Wolverine Origins #42

Way has done a great job with the follow up to the big Romulus reveal. This book could have fizzled out after that reveal, but the story has just gotten even more interesting with the inclusion of Banner and Skaar, Silver Samurai, and Cloak. Plus I love that the story is including Japan a little, always enjoyed Logan's connections to Japan and Japanese culture. Seeing Silver Samurai call Logan "gaijin" was a nice touch lol. Overall good issue, Logan's plan looks like its got Romulus a tad nervous.
agreed this was a very good issue. it is finally getting to the good part.

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8 Re: Wolverine on Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:49 pm

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Wolverine Origins #42

SSSSSSSNNNNNIIIIIKKKKKTTTT!!!

4/5 Snikts - If you like Wolverine and hate Romulus, still buy this! It's fun stuff!

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9 Re: Wolverine on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:57 pm

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^ I have to agree with the loose one on this one. The issue looks to be fleshing out to a greater perpose than finding out who the man behind the curtain is. I'm glad to see that there are people that don't like logan, or what he has done, He must be a hell of a salesmen though to get those people to help him anyway.

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10 Re: Wolverine on Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:47 pm

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Dark Wolverine #80

This month's Dark Wolverine was cool. I don't see any reviews on the web about this so I guess critics and webzines are ignoring this run 'til it becomes Wolverine again, if it ever does. Frankly, with so many Wolverine (Logan) books out there, I've enjoyed the change to Daken in the last couple months. The next issue looks to be the meeting of 2 strong manipulators, Karla Sofen and Daken. Should be interesting.

As for this issue, Daniel Way's take on Osborne is it's highlight, as once again plans don't always go the way Norm wants but he's so infused with reputation that he takes all the credit anyway. This issue definitely displays Daken in a different light despite still wrecking havoc like only he can (and thank God for that, considering what happened to Punisher). And it doesn't take a genius to try and figure out what happens in that last panel.

3/5 Claws - Respectable Daken arc comes to a close, opens up the lines for more chaos

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11 Re: Wolverine on Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:53 pm

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LOOSECANNON wrote:Dark Wolverine #80

This month's Dark Wolverine was cool. I don't see any reviews on the web about this so I guess critics and webzines are ignoring this run 'til it becomes Wolverine again, if it ever does. Frankly, with so many Wolverine (Logan) books out there, I've enjoyed the change to Daken in the last couple months. The next issue looks to be the meeting of 2 strong manipulators, Karla Sofen and Daken. Should be interesting.

As for this issue, Daniel Way's take on Osborne is it's highlight, as once again plans don't always go the way Norm wants but he's so infused with reputation that he takes all the credit anyway. This issue definitely displays Daken in a different light despite still wrecking havoc like only he can (and thank God for that, considering what happened to Punisher). And it doesn't take a genius to try and figure out what happens in that last panel.

3/5 Claws - Respectable Daken arc comes to a close, opens up the lines for more chaos

Agreed. This arc started off better than it ended though. I prefer to see the master manipulator in Daken as opposed to the revenge-seeking fighter. Solid all around though, especially the Yu-like art.

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12 Re: Wolverine on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:15 am

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Dark Wolverine #81

This was a solid and subdued exploration of Daken and how he manipulates people, in this case Karla Sofen. She has literally slept around with half the Dark Avengers squad (unfortunately Ares didn't get any action lol) but it seems like she's most attracted to Daken, but courtesy the pheromones most likely. It'll be interesting to see which direction Daken goes during Siege...redemption or full on villain?

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13 Re: Wolverine on Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:30 am

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Daken #81

I also liked this issue as well. It got away from the normal "hired thug" aspect of Dark Reign and more about the inner struggles/desires in the daily lives of Daken and Moonstone. It's a nice one-shot that isn't going to set the world on fire, albeit different approach that deserves much props. The art was right on-point with the levity of it all, too.

3.5/5

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14 Re: Wolverine on Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:04 am

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Wolverine Origins #43

I'm a fan of Cloak and Dagger so it was really nice to see them get some face time. I'm glad they joined the X-Men, what better way to get them out into the mainstream then a team up with Wolverine. I also really enjoyed the sparring match with Logan and Silver Samurai, its always great when they explore Logan's Japanese connections more.

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15 Re: Wolverine on Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:51 pm

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W.O. #43

Is this the definitive run on Wolverine now that Daken has his own book and Jason Aaron's take comes off as an incredibly awesome Elseworlds tale?

We finished last month with Logan asking ol' pal/foe (notice everyone in Wolvie's past is a buddy-slash-enemy?) Silver Samurai to train him with the Muramusa Blade. What proceeds in the beginning pages of this issue is pretty good Kill Bill-type stuff, an often overlooked aspect in Wolverine's life. When I think of Wolverine, I think of Japan. Somehow, because of his ties with the X-Men and his gazillion appearances in every other--especially Avengers--books, we forget that.

As things go there is some trust issue between Logan and Cloak, following the death of a key player in this series. Unfortunately, the death tries to come off as pretty epic and nasty but since it's unseen, it's lacking much effect. In the other Wolverine series, Weapon X, there's so much gratuitous violence that anything less is Little Tikes stuff.

And I'm not so big on the final page. The art is really creepy and so now is the storytelling. Overall, this is just a strange book.

3/5 - I liked a lot of this issue, I'm just afraid of where this is all going.

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16 Re: Wolverine on Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:09 pm

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Dark Wolverine was at it's best issue yet. Wow. Daken is awesome.

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17 Re: Wolverine on Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:04 am

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Dark Wolverine #82

I love what this book has done for Daken, he's really matured into a compelling character. And it was good to get some more perspective on the lead up to the attack on Asgard from the Dark Avengers point of view. Daken is once again playing mind games with the rest of the team and really seems to have something up his sleeve here. Also, interested in what those creepy chicks are all about...cuz that last sequence with him and Norman (if it was real) was crazy! surprised

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18 Re: Wolverine on Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:07 pm

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Bigtymin504 wrote:Dark Wolverine #82

I love what this book has done for Daken, he's really matured into a compelling character. And it was good to get some more perspective on the lead up to the attack on Asgard from the Dark Avengers point of view. Daken is once again playing mind games with the rest of the team and really seems to have something up his sleeve here. Also, interested in what those creepy chicks are all about...cuz that last sequence with him and Norman (if it was real) was crazy! surprised

Yeah, those last two pages were "Wait... Hold on a sec... I'm reading that again... What??? No way... Okay, that was unexpected and awesome all at once."

Wow, if that was real I totally didn't see that coming one bit, I've got a hunch or two about what's happening, guess I'm going to have to wait a month to see if I'm right.

Awesome read though regardless, Daken has become one of the must read characters each month thanks to this book, again, I never thought I'd say that when he was just in Origins.

Edit:

Wolverine: Weapon X #9

Continues to be THE Wolverine book, no Romulus, no pussy footing around, just Wolverine being Wolverine, awesome read, this whole Insane in the Membrane arc has been all sorts of a mind fuck, but man this issu took it to the next level.

Dr. Rott, who ever he is, is one of the best new Wolverine villains in quite a while. So many gruesomely awesome scenes in this. Wolvie finally gets his hands on Rott and guts him, so what Happens next?
Spoiler:
Dr. Rott tries to strangle Wolverine to death using his own intestines!!!
And that's just the begining, lol! Just wait until you see the scene between Nightcrawler and Psylocke, so funny I nearly fell out of my chair.

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19 Re: Wolverine on Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:40 pm

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Way and Liu interview on Daken:
http://comics.ign.com/articles/106/1062581p1.html

Two things...

IGN Comics: How literally should readers take the ending of Dark Wolverine #82? Has Daken really made his move against Osborn?

Liu: Have you ever heard of Schr?dinger's Cat? It's a paradoxical thought experiment, in which a cat is placed in a sealed box filled with poison. Until you open up the box to see whether the cat is alive or dead, both possibilities exist simultaneously. Think of Osborn as being the cat in the closed box. And Daken is the poison.


huh


Way: It's already been decided that Daken will continue in his own book after this arc. We've yet to decide on a title, but it's certain that Marjorie and I will be staying on board.

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20 Re: Wolverine on Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:20 pm

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Well that is good Daken will be staying around. I don't wont wolverine Regular having another book though. He is already in team books. Origins is coming to an end soon, and Weapon X is just 15 levels of pure awesome. I'll take quality over quantity anyway.

Who/what the fuck is Dr Rott. The entire arc was good, this guy is like if McGiver and Letherface rolled into one with a dash of Dr. Frankenfurter.

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21 Re: Wolverine on Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:17 am

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Dark Wolverine

This might've been my favorite Marvel Book of the Week (there were so many it's hard to track). I know not a lot happened, but just the sense of Daken's overall presence in Seige was worth it. This book wasn't about plot; it was more about how other characters--including teammates--react to Daken's...presence. Even when he doesn't do much, they're watching him. Everyone around Daken is worried about what this guy's going to do. For someone relatively new to the whole superhero game, that says a lot. Manipulation at it's finest.

4/5 - Really enjoyable book that actually takes place during Seige! (Unlike D.A. #13?)


um...I just realized there's a Weapon X thread...

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22 Re: Wolverine on Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:51 pm

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Dark Wolverine #82

I dropped this book when it became Dark Wolverine because frankly, I don't care enough about Daken to get a book starring him.

The only reason I got this issue is because it is a Siege tie in. I HATED it. I absolutely HATED it. Daken seemed like a completely different character compared to what I've seen in Wolverine Origins and Dark Avengers (as well as other books). I didn't like one thing about this issue and I don't think I'll be getting the rest of the Siege tie in (and I almost never drop a book mid arc, even when I hate it).

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23 Re: Wolverine on Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:08 pm

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Really? What made you hate it so much?

I really don't see much of a difference in Daken from DA and this. In Origins he was a bit more angst fueled but now he's a lot more fleshed out, I think. This book is just his point of view, basically. It's highly amusing to see him flirting with Dark Avenger members just to screw with them.

Reading Dark Wolverine made me a bigger Daken fan. I didn't mind him in Origins and liked him DA, but Daniel Way hit the nail on the head when he upgraded his characterization. I loved everything about this issue. But yeah, if you disliked this issue you wouldn't like the book at all. I hope to see Daken stick around for a long time, I love the manipulative bastard that he is.

He is what Wolverine was to the 80's and 90's, I think. Which is basically a new level of badass. Wolverine is the veteran badass, but Daken is the guy that even has the veteran badass go "damn, that's fucked up"

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24 Re: Wolverine on Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:20 pm

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^I just didn't like Daken's characterization at all. I can't say exactly why, but the book felt off.

Daken seems much more reserved in DA. Here he came off like a lunatic, and not an interesting or cunning lunatic, but a bat shit crazy/way too out there lunatic.

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25 Re: Wolverine on Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:20 pm

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Strange double post.

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