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Peg leg Pete wrote:so..i haven't read cry for justice...i didn't know it was so GA-heavy, and i have a bit of a limited budget, but i did read a synopsis that mentioned that Prometheus was taking advantage of Blackest Night to strike at the heroes...
has it been said that cry for justice is before BN, or has it just been assumed?
I have to admit I wasn't really interested in getting the new Green Arrow book (or is the numbering continuing? Can't remember and not a big deal anyway) but I'm also intrigued after seeing what happened in Brightest Day. Could have me hooked enough to check it out.LordD3r3k wrote:Green Arrow #32
Decent issue wrapping up the repercussions of Ollie's action. Not alot of hoopla here, but between the ending here and the event that happened in Brightest Day #0, I'm very interested to see where Ollie is headed. He's on the outs with the League and I've always had a soft spot for the Robin Hood tales, which it seems Ollie will bare even more likeness to.
Batman25JM wrote:I just don't like what they are doing. They are undoing all the development of the past four or five years.
LordD3r3k wrote:Batman25JM wrote:I just don't like what they are doing. They are undoing all the development of the past four or five years.
Undoing the development, or merely staying true to the character? No one cheered greater than I when they got married. First, because it was a great story. And second, because this was a marriage that actually made sense.
But Ollie is destructive by nature. He ruins everything because he just can't stop himself. Which is very true to life. That's one of the things that makes Ollie great as a character. He probably has the biggest heart of anyone out there, but he will ALWAYS f*@k it up in the end. This breakup was only a matter of time, but I highly doubt we've seen the last of these two.
Batman25JM wrote:Ollie may be destructive, but this just feels forced. Black Canary seemed to just give up too easily.
Also, they went out of their way to make Ollie completely alone again. Not only is BC gone, but so is Connor, Roy, and it seems Mia as well. I could accept BC being gone, but some of the others feels even more forced than breaking BC and GA up. Not to mention that BC is running right back to the BoP. Isn't this sorta what happened before?
LordD3r3k wrote:Batman25JM wrote:Ollie may be destructive, but this just feels forced. Black Canary seemed to just give up too easily.
Give up too easily? You've been following this book right? We've been watching their relationship slowly disintegrate over the last year or so.
LordD3r3k wrote:
Also, they went out of their way to make Ollie completely alone again. Not only is BC gone, but so is Connor, Roy, and it seems Mia as well. I could accept BC being gone, but some of the others feels even more forced than breaking BC and GA up. Not to mention that BC is running right back to the BoP. Isn't this sorta what happened before?
-The marriage has been strained for a year now, and him killing Prometheus was the last straw
-Conner is disgusted by Ollie's actions and wants nothing to do with him
-Roy is going down his own destructive path
-Ollie doesn't want Mia getting caught up in his mistakes.
I don't see how any of that is forced.
Batman25JM wrote:Yeah, I've been following the book (though I haven't read every issue, I own them, but it was sucking so much I have yet to read them). I know the marriage was disintegrating, but it still feels off. I mean, shit happens. I just feel like if she REALLY loved him, she'd at least try to make it work after this. If after a while she just can't, then I'd accept it more, but to just call it quits right off the bat doesn't sit well with me.
Would you be so accepting of this type of thing if it was Marvel doing it?
LordD3r3k wrote:Batman25JM wrote:Yeah, I've been following the book (though I haven't read every issue, I own them, but it was sucking so much I have yet to read them). I know the marriage was disintegrating, but it still feels off. I mean, shit happens. I just feel like if she REALLY loved him, she'd at least try to make it work after this. If after a while she just can't, then I'd accept it more, but to just call it quits right off the bat doesn't sit well with me.
But again, it's not right off the bat. Ollie has been screwing up, though some of it not entirely his fault, for the better part of a year. And we're talking about murder here. Real people don't just look the other way at that.
LordD3r3k wrote:
Would you be so accepting of this type of thing if it was Marvel doing it?
Honestly, it wouldn't be about accepting or not accepting, I probably just wouldn't give a shit
Batman25JM wrote:Some people might. Didn't GA kill before? I thought he did in the late 80s. BC knows Ollie isn't perfect. He's screwed up before. Why could she get past that, but not this? I know there's the straw that broke the camel's back argument, but I don't like that.
What did Ollie do that was so bad over the past year? Like I said, I haven't read every issue (there are a few issues in the early 20s of the series that I have yet to read).
I also don't like the fact that she didn't come to his trial.
I'm gonna keep this in mind. The next time Marvel does something like this I don't want to see yo call crap.
LordD3r3k wrote:Batman25JM wrote:Some people might. Didn't GA kill before? I thought he did in the late 80s. BC knows Ollie isn't perfect. He's screwed up before. Why could she get past that, but not this? I know there's the straw that broke the camel's back argument, but I don't like that.
He killed in Longbow Hunters, but that was to save Dinah from being raped and tortured. What he did to Prometheus was just cold blooded murder
LordD3r3k wrote:
What did Ollie do that was so bad over the past year? Like I said, I haven't read every issue (there are a few issues in the early 20s of the series that I have yet to read).
Their relationship started to strain when Cupid (was that her name?) showed up. In the end, it turned out to be alot of miscommunication (and some impersonation by Everyman), but the damage seemed to be done to where Dinah didn't want to deal with it anymore
LordD3r3k wrote:
I also don't like the fact that she didn't come to his trial.
But that was the ultimate "F YOU!"
LordD3r3k wrote:
I'm gonna keep this in mind. The next time Marvel does something like this I don't want to see yo call crap.
It's mostly for the sake of conversation
Batman25JM wrote:Okay, but it's still killing someone. It can be argued (by some) that murder is murder no matter the reason. In this case it was for revenge for Roy and Lian. I think that could be understood. I guess not.
That's weak IMO. It seems like the equivalent of a woman being pissed at her partner for something he did in a dream.
Yeah, but she supposedly still loves him. Why do something like that?
So you like to engage in conversations to aggravate people?
LordD3r3k wrote:Yeah, but she supposedly still loves him. Why do something like that?
You've never pissed off a woman before, have you?
LordD3r3k wrote:
So you like to engage in conversations to aggravate people?
Heh, think of it as a way of balancing the scales. For example, the resurrections in Blackest Night for some reason caused a shit storm. Yet, the resurrections in X-Men go over without a peep. I just don't understand the hypocrisy.
jaydee74 wrote:So, I've seen the preview of the new #1 for Green Arrow. I gotta say it looks pretty bad ass.
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