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26 Re: Green Arrow on Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:10 am

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*Lights torch* Time for a good ol'fashioned nerd-mob!

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27 Re: Green Arrow on Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:33 am

Right on! afro

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28 Re: Green Arrow on Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:05 am

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I can see the powers-that-be breaking up the couple. It's not like they haven't done that before.

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29 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:05 am

so..i haven't read cry for justice...i didn't know it was so GA-heavy, and i have a bit of a limited budget, but i did read a synopsis that mentioned that Prometheus was taking advantage of Blackest Night to strike at the heroes...

has it been said that cry for justice is before BN, or has it just been assumed?

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30 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:15 am

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Peg leg Pete wrote:so..i haven't read cry for justice...i didn't know it was so GA-heavy, and i have a bit of a limited budget, but i did read a synopsis that mentioned that Prometheus was taking advantage of Blackest Night to strike at the heroes...

has it been said that cry for justice is before BN, or has it just been assumed?

I believe it was specifically stated in an issue of JLA. I mean, the aftermath of some of the things that Prometheus does to some of the heroes is seen in Blackest Night.

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31 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:05 am

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^ It's not too GA heavy, although the Arsenal mini is an offshoot from it. (Poor Roy.)

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32 Re: Green Arrow on Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:48 pm

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Green Arrow #32

Decent issue wrapping up the repercussions of Ollie's action. Not alot of hoopla here, but between the ending here and the event that happened in Brightest Day #0, I'm very interested to see where Ollie is headed. He's on the outs with the League and I've always had a soft spot for the Robin Hood tales, which it seems Ollie will bare even more likeness to.

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33 Re: Green Arrow on Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:01 am

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Saw this comment over at Newsarama. Best. Ever.

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And now, a deleted scene from the originally planned Fall of Green Arrow (Rise of the SuperMax movie)

GA: So I killed Prometheus. I, uh, I can bounce back from that, right? You've all killed someone and bounced back. Right? Clark, how did you do it?

Supes: Well, sure, I killed three Kryptonians in a pocket universe created by (one version of) the Time Trapper. Turns out they weren't real. Heck, that was only one of three different versions of Zod I've faced since 1986. So you can either get a split personality and then go into space for a year or you can say "They weren't real and therefore didn't count." Either way, I don't think it's the same for you.

GA: Damn, if only John Byrne had written for me, too. Wondy, you killed Maxwell Lord on national television and yet you managed to stay a shining star! How did you do it?

WW: What are you talking about?

GA: Oh yeah. That 'Brightest Day' stuff means not only is Max alive again but no one even remembers him, let alone Diana snapping his neck (in fact, am I remembering this right now?). Speaking of snapping someone's neck... Hey, Barry, you had a very public trial for killing Professor Zoom. Yet you're somehow the beacon of hope around here now that you're back. How did you do it?

Flash: I was dead for over twenty years and when I came back, so did Professor Zoom. So... what murder?

GA: Crap! Dick, you've killed a guy, right?

Bats: Back when I was Nightwing, yeah. During that whole "Last Laugh" debacle, I accidentally beat the Joker to death. But thanks to Bruce and his CPR training, he was only dead for about 7 seconds. No harm, no foul.

GA: Does CPR fix an arrow through the head?

Bats: Nope.

GA: Crap in a hat!

GL: You could rearrange the universe!

GA: What?

GL: Well, after I killed Kilowog and half the GL Corp., I did a little universal reboot. Everyone's back. Boom.

Supes: PLEASE not another Crisis!

Flash: Seconded!

GA: Hal, that's not quite how I remember it. I thought Kilowog came back by-

GL: Meh, whatever. It wasn't even really me at the time. It was the Parallax entity possessing me. Hey! You could always be the new new NEW Spectre for a while!

WW: Yeah! You could be the Haunted Arrow!

Bats: And Speedy could be your sidekick Spooky!

Supes: Dick, didn't Hawk kill a crap ton of people during that Zero Hour thing Hal was talking about?

WW: At least a fistful of golden age JSAers (even though Hour Man is alive again).

GA: Yeah, what about that?

Bats: Sure. And then he died. Now he's back. But I wouldn't say he's 'back on top.' He's... how do I put this? Hawk is to Birds of Prey what Guy Gardner was to the JLI.

GA: Any other Teen Titan types I could ask? Hey, did Wally ever kill anyone?

Flash: Hmmm... nope.

Supes: Where is he, anyway?

Bats: Are you kidding me?!? He%u2019s watching over his kids!!!! Donna, Garth and Roy all had kids and they've all been slaughtered. Wally's twins are the last of the original Titan babies! He's a little... nervous.

GA: So basically, I have to die or wait till Prometheus comes back to life?

GL: Looks that way.

GA: Screw you guys, I'm going to hang with Captain Atom. He wiped out an entire universe (does that mean we're down to 51?) and came back without so much as a slap on the wrist!

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34 Re: Green Arrow on Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:59 am

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LordD3r3k wrote:Green Arrow #32

Decent issue wrapping up the repercussions of Ollie's action. Not alot of hoopla here, but between the ending here and the event that happened in Brightest Day #0, I'm very interested to see where Ollie is headed. He's on the outs with the League and I've always had a soft spot for the Robin Hood tales, which it seems Ollie will bare even more likeness to.
I have to admit I wasn't really interested in getting the new Green Arrow book (or is the numbering continuing? Can't remember and not a big deal anyway) but I'm also intrigued after seeing what happened in Brightest Day. Could have me hooked enough to check it out.

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35 Re: Green Arrow on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:33 pm

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Green Arrow #32


Meh. I didn't hate the writing. I just don't like what they are doing. They are undoing all the development of the past four or five years. Ollie and Dinah are once again estranged, Ollie's on the outs, and Dinah is running to the Birds of Prey again. As happy as I am to have BoP back, they didn't need to break Ollie and Dinah up again.

I HATED the art this issue.

I think now would be the perfect time to put Speedy back on the Teen Titans. Ollie doesn't really want her brought down with him, and wants her to be with good role models. They need to put her back on the team.

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36 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:00 am

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Batman25JM wrote:I just don't like what they are doing. They are undoing all the development of the past four or five years.

Undoing the development, or merely staying true to the character? No one cheered greater than I when they got married. First, because it was a great story. And second, because this was a marriage that actually made sense.

But Ollie is destructive by nature. He ruins everything because he just can't stop himself. Which is very true to life. That's one of the things that makes Ollie great as a character. He probably has the biggest heart of anyone out there, but he will ALWAYS f*@k it up in the end. This breakup was only a matter of time, but I highly doubt we've seen the last of these two.

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37 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:26 am

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LordD3r3k wrote:
Batman25JM wrote:I just don't like what they are doing. They are undoing all the development of the past four or five years.

Undoing the development, or merely staying true to the character? No one cheered greater than I when they got married. First, because it was a great story. And second, because this was a marriage that actually made sense.

But Ollie is destructive by nature. He ruins everything because he just can't stop himself. Which is very true to life. That's one of the things that makes Ollie great as a character. He probably has the biggest heart of anyone out there, but he will ALWAYS f*@k it up in the end. This breakup was only a matter of time, but I highly doubt we've seen the last of these two.

Ollie may be destructive, but this just feels forced. Black Canary seemed to just give up too easily. I don't know, it just didn't feel right. And people change. Just because Ollie has screwed things up in the past doesn't mean that he will in the future.

I doubt GA and BC are done for good, and I hope they do get back together, but this breakup then makeup line of storytelling is getting old. You can't just keep doing the same thing over and over and over again.

Also, they went out of their way to make Ollie completely alone again. Not only is BC gone, but so is Connor, Roy, and it seems Mia as well. I could accept BC being gone, but some of the others feels even more forced than breaking BC and GA up. Not to mention that BC is running right back to the BoP. Isn't this sorta what happened before?

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38 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:14 pm

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Batman25JM wrote:Ollie may be destructive, but this just feels forced. Black Canary seemed to just give up too easily.

Give up too easily? You've been following this book right? We've been watching their relationship slowly disintegrate over the last year or so.


Also, they went out of their way to make Ollie completely alone again. Not only is BC gone, but so is Connor, Roy, and it seems Mia as well. I could accept BC being gone, but some of the others feels even more forced than breaking BC and GA up. Not to mention that BC is running right back to the BoP. Isn't this sorta what happened before?

-The marriage has been strained for a year now, and him killing Prometheus was the last straw
-Conner is disgusted by Ollie's actions and wants nothing to do with him
-Roy is going down his own destructive path
-Ollie doesn't want Mia getting caught up in his mistakes.

I don't see how any of that is forced. don't know

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39 Re: Green Arrow on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:44 pm

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LordD3r3k wrote:
Batman25JM wrote:Ollie may be destructive, but this just feels forced. Black Canary seemed to just give up too easily.

Give up too easily? You've been following this book right? We've been watching their relationship slowly disintegrate over the last year or so.

Yeah, I've been following the book (though I haven't read every issue, I own them, but it was sucking so much I have yet to read them). I know the marriage was disintegrating, but it still feels off. I mean, shit happens. I just feel like if she REALLY loved him, she'd at least try to make it work after this. If after a while she just can't, then I'd accept it more, but to just call it quits right off the bat doesn't sit well with me.

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Also, they went out of their way to make Ollie completely alone again. Not only is BC gone, but so is Connor, Roy, and it seems Mia as well. I could accept BC being gone, but some of the others feels even more forced than breaking BC and GA up. Not to mention that BC is running right back to the BoP. Isn't this sorta what happened before?

-The marriage has been strained for a year now, and him killing Prometheus was the last straw
-Conner is disgusted by Ollie's actions and wants nothing to do with him
-Roy is going down his own destructive path
-Ollie doesn't want Mia getting caught up in his mistakes.

I don't see how any of that is forced. don't know

I never said that it wasn't explained in the story, I'm just saying it's like DC went out of their way to make him alone. I mean, if one or two of his family left him that's one thing, but ALL of them? It just doesn't feel right.

Would you be so accepting of this type of thing if it was Marvel doing it? Very Happy

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40 Re: Green Arrow on Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:45 am

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Batman25JM wrote:Yeah, I've been following the book (though I haven't read every issue, I own them, but it was sucking so much I have yet to read them). I know the marriage was disintegrating, but it still feels off. I mean, shit happens. I just feel like if she REALLY loved him, she'd at least try to make it work after this. If after a while she just can't, then I'd accept it more, but to just call it quits right off the bat doesn't sit well with me.

But again, it's not right off the bat. Ollie has been screwing up, though some of it not entirely his fault, for the better part of a year. And we're talking about murder here. Real people don't just look the other way at that.


Would you be so accepting of this type of thing if it was Marvel doing it? Very Happy

Honestly, it wouldn't be about accepting or not accepting, I probably just wouldn't give a shit Laughing

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41 Re: Green Arrow on Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:53 am

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LordD3r3k wrote:
Batman25JM wrote:Yeah, I've been following the book (though I haven't read every issue, I own them, but it was sucking so much I have yet to read them). I know the marriage was disintegrating, but it still feels off. I mean, shit happens. I just feel like if she REALLY loved him, she'd at least try to make it work after this. If after a while she just can't, then I'd accept it more, but to just call it quits right off the bat doesn't sit well with me.

But again, it's not right off the bat. Ollie has been screwing up, though some of it not entirely his fault, for the better part of a year. And we're talking about murder here. Real people don't just look the other way at that.

Some people might. Didn't GA kill before? I thought he did in the late 80s. BC knows Ollie isn't perfect. He's screwed up before. Why could she get past that, but not this? I know there's the straw that broke the camel's back argument, but I don't like that.

What did Ollie do that was so bad over the past year? Like I said, I haven't read every issue (there are a few issues in the early 20s of the series that I have yet to read).

I would have just liked it more if BC had at least tried to move past it or help Ollie. She had to see he needed her. If she had at least tried, even if it was only for an issue or two, and then just said, "I can't do it", I think I would have been happier. I also don't like the fact that she didn't come to his trial.

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Would you be so accepting of this type of thing if it was Marvel doing it? Very Happy

Honestly, it wouldn't be about accepting or not accepting, I probably just wouldn't give a shit Laughing

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I'm gonna keep this in mind. The next time Marvel does something like this I don't want to see yo call crap. Wink Laughing

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42 Re: Green Arrow on Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:03 pm

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Batman25JM wrote:Some people might. Didn't GA kill before? I thought he did in the late 80s. BC knows Ollie isn't perfect. He's screwed up before. Why could she get past that, but not this? I know there's the straw that broke the camel's back argument, but I don't like that.

He killed in Longbow Hunters, but that was to save Dinah from being raped and tortured. What he did to Prometheus was just cold blooded murder

What did Ollie do that was so bad over the past year? Like I said, I haven't read every issue (there are a few issues in the early 20s of the series that I have yet to read).

Their relationship started to strain when Cupid (was that her name?) showed up. In the end, it turned out to be alot of miscommunication (and some impersonation by Everyman), but the damage seemed to be done to where Dinah didn't want to deal with it anymore

I also don't like the fact that she didn't come to his trial.

But that was the ultimate "F YOU!" Laughing

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I'm gonna keep this in mind. The next time Marvel does something like this I don't want to see yo call crap. Wink Laughing

It's mostly for the sake of conversation Wink

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43 Re: Green Arrow on Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:41 pm

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LordD3r3k wrote:
Batman25JM wrote:Some people might. Didn't GA kill before? I thought he did in the late 80s. BC knows Ollie isn't perfect. He's screwed up before. Why could she get past that, but not this? I know there's the straw that broke the camel's back argument, but I don't like that.

He killed in Longbow Hunters, but that was to save Dinah from being raped and tortured. What he did to Prometheus was just cold blooded murder

Okay, but it's still killing someone. It can be argued (by some) that murder is murder no matter the reason. In this case it was for revenge for Roy and Lian. I think that could be understood. I guess not.

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What did Ollie do that was so bad over the past year? Like I said, I haven't read every issue (there are a few issues in the early 20s of the series that I have yet to read).

Their relationship started to strain when Cupid (was that her name?) showed up. In the end, it turned out to be alot of miscommunication (and some impersonation by Everyman), but the damage seemed to be done to where Dinah didn't want to deal with it anymore

That's weak IMO. It seems like the equivalent of a woman being pissed at her partner for something he did in a dream.

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I also don't like the fact that she didn't come to his trial.

But that was the ultimate "F YOU!" Laughing

Yeah, but she supposedly still loves him. Why do something like that?

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I'm gonna keep this in mind. The next time Marvel does something like this I don't want to see yo call crap. Wink Laughing

It's mostly for the sake of conversation Wink

So you like to engage in conversations to aggravate people? Laughing

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44 Re: Green Arrow on Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:21 am

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Batman25JM wrote:Okay, but it's still killing someone. It can be argued (by some) that murder is murder no matter the reason. In this case it was for revenge for Roy and Lian. I think that could be understood. I guess not.

It's definitely a gray area. Dinah may be able to look past it the first time because it was self defense. And it was to save her personally. When it done out of rage, she may see it as a sign of weakness, and being no better than a villain



That's weak IMO. It seems like the equivalent of a woman being pissed at her partner for something he did in a dream.

That was the general gist. I'm sure I've left out the finer details


Yeah, but she supposedly still loves him. Why do something like that?

You've never pissed off a woman before, have you? Laughing Wink


So you like to engage in conversations to aggravate people? Laughing

Heh, think of it as a way of balancing the scales. For example, the resurrections in Blackest Night for some reason caused a shit storm. Yet, the resurrections in X-Men go over without a peep. I just don't understand the hypocrisy.

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45 Re: Green Arrow on Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:04 am

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I honestly don't care if Dinah and Green Arrow stay married or not. I think they have enough problems that while I don't want to see them get divorced, a separation would be interesting for both characters. At least for awhile. Dinah is more of a traditional hero. She does the right thing for the right reason. At his best, Green Arrow has always been better when he was the hunter instead of the traditional hero. I'm not saying I want him to be a killer or anything but I do like him better when he uses more extreme measures to get the job done.

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46 Re: Green Arrow on Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:05 pm

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47 Re: Green Arrow on Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:35 am

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LordD3r3k wrote:Yeah, but she supposedly still loves him. Why do something like that?

You've never pissed off a woman before, have you? Laughing Wink

Apparently not. Wink

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So you like to engage in conversations to aggravate people? Laughing

Heh, think of it as a way of balancing the scales. For example, the resurrections in Blackest Night for some reason caused a shit storm. Yet, the resurrections in X-Men go over without a peep. I just don't understand the hypocrisy.

I don't either. I actually think (despite what some might say) that I'm a fairly even person when it comes to the big two. I hate the double standards from both sides of the fence. I didn't understand the hate for the resurrections in BN either.

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48 Re: Green Arrow on Sat May 01, 2010 6:07 pm

I would have liked to see Dinah take on a nurturing-type role...it is a little odd. seems like the flips from "let me help you make everything better" to "fuck this noise, i'm out" kind of randomly.

it's one of the issues i'm missing, but if i remember right, Mia has even killed before, toward the end of the GA run just before the wedding. I've always liked that Ollie is passion personified, and Dinah is there to reel him back in...

but the most frustrating thing is that this isn't a permanent thing. i'd bet almost everything i own that within three years they are back together again. i do like the idea of Dinah saying "look, this was a big deal, i need time to work it out before i can come back." i do like the idea of ollie going "i don't deserve her, so i'm not going to pursue her (ollie's track record is that he acts out, then immediately regrets it, so that's kind of in line.) what i DON'T like is what they did do, where dinah tosses the ring on the jailhouse floor and walks out. and then hal basically comes along with the Clown Hammer of Obviousness and says, "yeah, she still loves you."

...it just feels like we're going to get a lot of pointless on-and-off stuff for the next couple years, and then they'll settle down again for another year...and then they'll break up again.

i really wish there could be ONE super-couple who's relationship wasn't always on the rocks.

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49 Re: Green Arrow on Thu May 13, 2010 8:53 am

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So, I've seen the preview of the new #1 for Green Arrow. I gotta say it looks pretty bad ass.

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50 Re: Green Arrow on Thu May 13, 2010 7:47 pm

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jaydee74 wrote:So, I've seen the preview of the new #1 for Green Arrow. I gotta say it looks pretty bad ass.

You damn skippy! Ollie isn't pulling any punches.. er, arrows! Wink

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