The Avengers Thread

Avengers #3

I didn't hate it, but there was nothing about it I truly loved. It was just okay.

I have to agree with Aussiemandias, this team shouldn't interact the way it does. The stuff between Spidey and Iron Man felt weird. They shouldn't have a jokey relationship at this point. Old wounds still need to heal. I'd much prefer it if this team was shown not getting along. That they couldn't get past what had happened. And then, slowly but surely they come together. As it is, it feels forced.

Now, with that all said, I do think the jokey tone was a bit better this issue. It was still a little too much, but it wasn't as bad as last issue. Some of it was even good. I did enjoy the Spider-Man/Spider-Woman stuff. There relationship is so where they could joke with each other. Honestly, if Marvel still insists on not having Peter and MJ as a couple, I wouldn't mind if Peter and Jessica got together. I like the way they interact.

The art was a mixed bag. There are times I've loved JRJR, and times I've hated him. This was somewhere in the middle. It wasn't horrible, but I wasn't overly happy with it. It just looks off. I still HATE the way Maria Hill looks. I think the art was especially hard to swallow since I read this week's issue of New Avengers immediately before I read this, and Immonen's art is absolutely gorgeous.

So, that six armed Horseman was Spidey in the future? It looked more like Anti-Venom to me.

Bigtymin504 wrote:

prescribeddrone wrote:I like that news, I like the character of Red Hulk. Having him on the team should make things interesting.

It should be pretty interesting. Red Hulk has kinda grown on me over the last year, they've been characterizing him much better than his very early appearances.

Avengers #7 variant

I agree, I like how he developed. I like that's he's an "antihero" Hulk- that should be an interesting mix considering Wolverine is the basically the only antihero on the Avengers. Red Hulk is an entertaining character actually.

Should be interesting to see how they work. And yeah, that variant cover rocks.

I liked 3 better than 2. There were actual panels where I didn't mind JRJR's art (like Thor and the horsemen)

Question though - who was the red horseman? (The one that wasn't Scarlet Witch, Wolverine, or Spider-Man)

^ Fixt

People are taking this book way too seriously. I like it.

dmahoney wrote:^ Fixt

That really seems like a one sided fight in that picture, unless Juggernaught has gotten a power up

LOOSECANNON wrote:People are taking this book way too seriously. I like it.

I am enjoying it as well, the interactions are a bit off but it feels like a team just forming, sure Spiderman shouldn't be that forgiving to Tony, but that is who Spiderman is so it works. After reading #4 the book is really seeming short, like half as long as a book should be, so either it is a good read or it is too short, not sure.

My biggest problem is every issue does not need to end with a cliffhanger that is a red herring, every issue is that way.

I loved issue 4.

I'm liking the book more and more with each successive issue, but I'm still falling short of loving it. This Next Avengers angle is interesting, but JRJR's art is grossly inconsistent. He did some pretty nice-looking panels in this issue, but for the most part, his work on this book looks rushed and half-assed.

Avengers #4

I liked this well enough. I mean, I wasn't blown away, but it was decent.

I'm still not big on the art. It's just very meh. JRJR can't draw women very well, IMO. At least not in this book.

Batman25JM wrote:Avengers #4

I liked this well enough. I mean, I wasn't blown away, but it was decent.

I'm still not big on the art. It's just very meh. JRJR can't draw women very well, IMO. At least not in this book.

I thought this issue was a vast improvement over the previous 3 issues in that Bendis completely toned down the jokey-ness. There was still funny dialogue but I thought it was used much better. Agree with you, Bats, this was okay but not really blowing me away at this stage.

^Yeah, I forgot to mention that this issue toned down the jokes. I'm happy it did.

On Avengers, I just don't like the art, I like the smooth look of secret avengers and even New Avengers changing art per situation is good, but Avengers is too blocky I guess.

The lack of jokes is a plus, I don't really see Spiderman fitting in this avengers team, he works on the street level with New better then "classic" when they break out ultron or a galactic type threat I don't see him really working here, and I really don't want him to go all Wolverine and be in everything. How he is on 2 avengers teams, x-men, x-force and his own stories I am thinking the joke about his hidden super power is true

I'm loving this book.

Avengers #5

This is what I expect out of Bendis! Very good issue. We finally learn a lot about what's behind the destruction of the timestream and how the Avengers can resolve it. I love the dynamic between younger Tony and older Tony. And Bendis hits the right notes this time with the witty dialogue, especially with Spidey and Tony. Also some really great visuals this issue by JRJR...Thor fighting Galactus was worth it alone!

Oh and according to Brevoort, that timestream chart by the older Tony has some veeery significant tidbits and clues for present and future stories. WE NEED DR. WADE HERE TO DISSECT IT ALL! =/

Review of Avengers #5 is up on the main site.

http://panelsonpages.com/?p=28494

Avengers #5


I enjoyed this enough. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I didn't hate it.

I am kind of anxious for this arc to be over with though. I want to get into some other stuff. It's only been 5 issues so far, but it feels like 10 to me.

I'm still not huge on the art. It's just not that great. There are bits and pieces I like, but overall it's just meh.

The timestream chart was interesting.

I can't stand the art, too block-y for me, the story is kind of interesting, but I am not caring that much about the book, I'm not going to be dropping it but it has to do something soon to get me interested and keep me interested, I give most books 1 arc to pull me in.

Did anybody notice Vision in the bottom right cover? Isn't he dead? He wasn't in this issue at all.

comedianviet wrote:Did anybody notice Vision in the bottom right cover? Isn't he dead? He wasn't in this issue at all.

I hadn't even noticed him.

He isn't dead anymore. He's back. He's with the Young Avengers. I mean, he's not exactly the same as he was before. He's a mix of the old Vision's operating systems and Iron Lad's (a teenage Kang the Conqueror) armor.

I'm not sure why he was on the cover, but since this arc is dealing with time travel and heroes being pulled from different time periods, the old version of the Vision could feasibly appear.

zoomed version: https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img831/1894/mapnj.jpg

Scans-Daily did a breakdown of some of it (some of which I think they got wrong and I'll correct in red )
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2401676.html

Going from left to right, as far as possible,

-Captain America Reborn (self explanatory)
-Heroic Age Begins (self explanatory)
-Hope Returns (the X-baby)
-Nine worlds in disarray (?) (most likely Frac's run on Thor)
-Three (Epting and Hickman's Fantastic Four)
-Man without fear (Daredevil)
-Throwbacks
-Academy Traitor! (Avengers Academy)
-Master of Kung Fu (The Immortal Iron Fist?) (this is likely about -Shang-Chi in Secret Avengers) link: http://comics.ign.com/articles/112/1123264p1.html
-What is where Asgard should be (isn't Loki addressing this point sometime soon?)
-Five Lights (5 new mutants after Hope's return)
-Nova Antiquus (something about Nova?)
-Return of the king (Black Panther? Wilson Fisk?) (I'll go with King -Blackagar Boltagon!)
-Night Falls (?) (Hmm...Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D. related with Night Machine?)
-Iron Lad Returns (?) (Young Avengers)
-Where is Wanda (visual puzzle book for young children)
-All Hope Lies in Doom (one of the phrases that future Valeria sent Future Franklin gave to give to present Valeria. I think that it's to do with the Hole full of Dooms that the Council of Reeds has)
-Fear without Man (Don't know. Sounds fucking intense)
-Galactus Seed (Ditto)
-Schizm! (?)
-Yesterday's X-Men
-What's in the rings (?)
-Steve's Vision (The Vision? Or Steve Rogers' Indian drug fuelled vision that inspired him to write his big book of the Marvel Universe?) (Duh! Steve's "War of the Worlds" type vision at the end of Reborn.)
-Ultron War (the next chapter in Cosmic Marvel?)


I'm most interested in finding out more about "Steve's Vision", "Schizm", and "Night Falls".

Oh and Galactus Seed.

I thought issue #5 was the best issue so far. I quite enjoyed the story in this one. I still find the art attrocious however and someone has said this before but JRJR can't draw women - his Maria Hill just looks awful. It's the story that's keeping me on board with this series.

I have to say the older Stark's timeline diagram with notes just seems like such a massive rip-off of Rip Hunter's whiteboard. Normally, I tend to look at these things as coincidence but in this case I just can't see it that way - it just looks like a steal of the idea. And I tend to think it's someone in editorial who's responsible not Bendis.

However, Rip Hunter's whiteboard was fun and so is this, so a few comments (I agree with a lot of your conclusions, Bigtymin):

Bigtymin504 wrote:

Going from left to right, as far as possible,

-Captain America Reborn (self explanatory)
-Heroic Age Begins (self explanatory)
-Hope Returns (the X-baby)
-Nine worlds in disarray (?) (most likely Frac's run on Thor)
-Three (Epting and Hickman's Fantastic Four)
-Man without fear (Daredevil)
-Throwbacks
-Academy Traitor! (Avengers Academy)
-Master of Kung Fu (The Immortal Iron Fist?) (this is likely about -Shang-Chi in Secret Avengers) link: http://comics.ign.com/articles/112/1123264p1.html
-What is where Asgard should be (isn't Loki addressing this point sometime soon?)
-Five Lights (5 new mutants after Hope's return)
-Nova Antiquus (something about Nova?)
-Return of the king (Black Panther? Wilson Fisk?) (I'll go with King -Blackagar Boltagon!)
-Night Falls (?) (Hmm...Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D. related with Night Machine?)
-Iron Lad Returns (?) (Young Avengers)
-Where is Wanda (visual puzzle book for young children)
-All Hope Lies in Doom (one of the phrases that future Valeria sent Future Franklin gave to give to present Valeria. I think that it's to do with the Hole full of Dooms that the Council of Reeds has)
-Fear without Man (Don't know. Sounds fucking intense)
-Galactus Seed (Ditto)
-Schizm! (?)
-Yesterday's X-Men
-What's in the rings (?)
-Steve's Vision (The Vision? Or Steve Rogers' Indian drug fuelled vision that inspired him to write his big book of the Marvel Universe?) (Duh! Steve's "War of the Worlds" type vision at the end of Reborn.)
-Ultron War (the next chapter in Cosmic Marvel?)


I'm most interested in finding out more about "Steve's Vision", "Schizm", and "Night Falls".

Oh and Galactus Seed.

I also go with Black Bolt as the Return of the king.
Fear without man - I think is a Daredevil thing being the inverse of man without fear.
What's in the rings - I'm going with the Mandarin here and a potential upcoming Iron Man story. I suspect that's the reason Mandarin was featured in the recent Iron Man annual.
Ultron War - I think this is just a reference to what's being revealed in this storyline. Just on Cosmic Marvel - I get the distinct impression that we won't be seeing any more of these books for a while.

There's also one you didn't mention:

Who is worthy? and it's connected to 9.9.9 - not sure what that means.

The Who is worthy may be to do with the new Thunderstrike mini.

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Is it me or is Marvel taking this out of DC's play book?




http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Rip_Hunter's_Chalk_Board

Aussiemandias wrote:I have to say the older Stark's timeline diagram with notes just seems like such a massive rip-off of Rip Hunter's whiteboard. Normally, I tend to look at these things as coincidence but in this case I just can't see it that way - it just looks like a steal of the idea. And I tend to think it's someone in editorial who's responsible not Bendis.

jaydee74 wrote:Is it me or is Marvel taking this out of DC's play book?

Honestly, who cares? It's a cool and fun plot device meant to tease us. Because we've seen Rip Hunter use it that means it's off limits now? It's just a harmless fun teaser device.

Aussiemandias wrote:I also go with Black Bolt as the Return of the king.
Fear without man - I think is a Daredevil thing being the inverse of man without fear.
What's in the rings - I'm going with the Mandarin here and a potential upcoming Iron Man story. I suspect that's the reason Mandarin was featured in the recent Iron Man annual.
Ultron War - I think this is just a reference to what's being revealed in this storyline. Just on Cosmic Marvel - I get the distinct impression that we won't be seeing any more of these books for a while.

There's also one you didn't mention:

Who is worthy? and it's connected to 9.9.9 - not sure what that means.

Good call on these Aussie, I was thinking Mandarin for the rings too.

Hmm the "Who is worthy?" one I'm not sure about but Big Poppa Nick made a good suggestion above, something to do with the new Thunderstrike perhaps? Not sure about the 9.9.9 though...