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I just read The Killing Joke for the first time...

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...not bad. I could see how people would say Alan Moore is a good writer after this. Not so much Watchmen or V for Vendetta, but this story was great.

Your thoughts on the fucked up tale of the Joker?

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I've always really dug it. It was the first thing I ever read by Alan Moore, and I've yet to read anything by him I have not enjoyed. You should definitely read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Of the stuff I've read by him, it's my favorite. His Swamp Thing work is really good stuff too. While I do like Watchmen, I agree that it's not the greatest comic book ever and it's certainly not Moore's best.

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I like TKJ, but I think it's overrated. Watchmen and League of extraordinary Gentlemen are much better stories.

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See, I thought Watchmen was highly overrated. tongue

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I don't think it's the perfect, "best perfect comic book" thing people made for over two decades, but it's possibly the greatest achievement so far in using comics language to its full potential in telling a story.

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Killing Joke is probably my all-time favorite Joker-centric story.

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TKJ is second only to Year One for the best Batman story in my book.

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Fun fact

The killing joke came about because a Judge dredd/batman crossover which was to be written by wagner/grant and drawn by bolland fell through.

Dc needed to plug the hole in the schedule and thus the killing joke was born

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I think the artwork should have been a lot darker.

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All I can say is that it gave birth to Oracle. Other than that I could take it or leave it.

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Esbat wrote:All I can say is that it gave birth to Oracle.

I'm no Whitworth, but I'm pretty sure Jim Gordon's wife did that.

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Debaser77 wrote:
Esbat wrote:All I can say is that it gave birth to Oracle.

I'm no Whitworth, but I'm pretty sure Jim Gordon's wife did that.

Wrong. Post-Crisis, Barbara was the daughter of Jim Gordon's brother, Roger, and was adopted by Jim and Barbara Gordon when she was 13, after her parents were killed in an alcohol-related car accident.

Now, pre-Crisis, you'd be right. Wink Very Happy

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superdoug wrote:
Debaser77 wrote:
Esbat wrote:All I can say is that it gave birth to Oracle.

I'm no Whitworth, but I'm pretty sure Jim Gordon's wife did that.

Wrong. Post-Crisis, Barbara was the daughter of Jim Gordon's brother, Roger, and was adopted by Jim and Barbara Gordon when she was 13, after her parents were killed in an alcohol-related car accident.

Now, pre-Crisis, you'd be right. Wink Very Happy

I stand corrected. Fuckin' DC and their Crises. shake my head

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Wasn't it later changed that Jim was actually her father? And didn't he adopted her after leaving his first wife and son for another woman? Or all of this is pre-Crisis? Or I'm making things up?

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Spidey_82 wrote:Wasn't it later changed that Jim was actually her father? And didn't he adopted her after leaving his first wife and son for another woman? Or all of this is pre-Crisis? Or I'm making things up?


I think that's the pre-Crisis version, or was learned to be what actually happened. According to the DC Wikia, and the Barbara Gordon entry for New Earth:

Barbara Gordon was born the daughter of Roger C. Gordon and his wife Thelma in the suburbs of Ohio. Even as a young girl, Barbara wanted nothing more than to be a super-hero. Her best friend Marcy and she would spend endless hours designing super-hero costumes and heroic identities for themselves. At this precocious age, the seeds of Barbara's future crime-fighting career began to foment.

When Barbara was 13, her mother and father were tragically killed in an automobile accident (due largely to her father's drinking problem). Barbara adjusted as well as she could. After the accident, her uncle, James Gordon, adopted the orphaned Barbara. James Gordon and his wife (also named Barbara) lived hundreds of miles east in Gotham City, where James worked as the police Captain. Barbara immediately became infatuated with the gothic city's most legendary phantom of the night – the Batman.

Barbara had become completely obsessed with the Batman and learned everything that she could about him. One evening, she snuck into her father's private home office to discover him engaged in a secret conversation with the Batman. Barbara had no idea that her adoptive father was actually worked with this mysterious dark knight. Her obsession with Batman only intensified.

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Well I know for DAMN sure she ain't Alfred's neice.

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Debaser77 wrote:Well I know for DAMN sure she ain't Alfred's neice.
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Well I know for DAMN sure that TKJ is a damn fine book. As far as greatness...eh..its good but I don't consider it great.

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Debaser77 wrote:Well I know for DAMN sure she ain't Alfred's neice.


WORD.

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Killing Joke was a great read. Loved this take on the origins of Joker. Moore's writting on this story was great, unlike Watchmen. Don't get me wrong, the overall story of Watchmen was good, it just had far too much detail/needless dribble. A lot of stuff that didn't drive the plot forward all that much. Filler, really.

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Kind of like V for Vendetta? Wink

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V for Vendetta bored the fuck outta me.

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I've had so many opportunities to read V, but I always decide against it. The Killing Joke however, is my favorite Alan Moore story, I love that book so hard! Laughing

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I plan on doing a "Noob Revue" of TKJ next month.

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