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Re: The official; Doctor who thread Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:12 pm
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752 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:56 pm
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The Finale was amazing!!!!! 
753 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:36 pm
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WOW! The ending of this season was outstanding. 
754 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:35 pm
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jaydee74 wrote:WOW! The ending of this season was outstanding.
It certainly was. I'm still recovering! Imma watch it again and post my thoughts on the whole season. Condensed version:- FANTASTIC!!
755 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:45 pm
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I am so jazzed for the next season. I cannot wait for the Christmas Special.
756 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:04 am
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just saw the fantastic finale. loved it.
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- River making that fossilized Dalek beg for mercy was hilarious. kinda confused on how tyhe Doctor could come back after he reset the universe. wouldn't the cracks in time return if he returned? anyway love that they still some questions unanwsered. And Egyptian cat goddess on a space highway! Osyrians anyone?
757 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:32 am
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at the 17:40 mark of Flesh and Stone, WOW!!!!
758 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:10 am
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I'm so happy that they answered some questions while not all of them. I didn't need everything answered but I was very satisfied with the season. Great first season for Matt Smith.
759 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:36 pm
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WOW....just....wow
760 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:25 pm
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Watch this clip shot at this weekends Glastonbury festival. (just down the road from Stonehenge! ) people and tell me it is not the absolute COOLEST thing you have ever seen! (don't worry, does not contain spoilers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_R5UJGt-g&feature=player_embedded
Is there no end to Matt Smith's talents? It could only have been cooler if
I'm in absolute awe and wish I'd gone to Glastonbury this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_R5UJGt-g&feature=player_embedded
Is there no end to Matt Smith's talents? It could only have been cooler if
- Spoiler:
- he'd worn a fez, cos we all know fez's are cool!
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I'm in absolute awe and wish I'd gone to Glastonbury this year.
761 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:27 pm
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That is full of awesome. Brilliant!
762 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:33 am
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Jherek wrote:Watch this clip shot at this weekends Glastonbury festival. (just down the road from Stonehenge! ) people and tell me it is not the absolute COOLEST thing you have ever seen! (don't worry, does not contain spoilers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_R5UJGt-g&feature=player_embedded
Is there no end to Matt Smith's talents? It could only have been cooler if
- Spoiler:
I'm in absolute awe and wish I'd gone to Glastonbury this year.
That video is great. Matt Smith is my Doctor.
763 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:54 pm
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Dang! This finale was great!!
I'll probably be posting my thoughts on this series in either a couple days or next week.
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- I was pleasantly surprised that Amy and Rory DID get married after all (I was expecting something to go wrong the moment everything started looking chipper). The use of time travel and wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff was excellent, I'm impressed. I'm suprised that they managed to reveal very little yet be very satisfying. What is the silence? Better not be anything to do with the Daleks or Cybermen! I hope it's an all new villain, but I'm doubting that. As for River Song's identity, I guess throwing out the idea that she's Amy Pond isn't going to be as easy as I thought it would be. I hope she's the Doctor's wife though, I'd kinda be a bit disappointed (at least at first) if she wasn't.
I'll probably be posting my thoughts on this series in either a couple days or next week.
764 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:04 pm
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Well I did warn you.
Here's my thoughts on the recent season. I'm putting it in spoilers not only to protect the innocent but also so it doesn't take up too much room on the thread. It's a bit of a monster!
I really would like to hear any reaction you guys may have. 
Here's my thoughts on the recent season. I'm putting it in spoilers not only to protect the innocent but also so it doesn't take up too much room on the thread. It's a bit of a monster!
I really would like to hear any reaction you guys may have. - Spoiler:
‘It’s about a daft old man who stole a magic box and ran away.’
The point I suppose is that ostensibly Doctor Who is a kid’s Sci-Fi/Fantasy programme. Albeit one which can be enjoyed on a number of levels by sophisticated grown-ups, many of whom have Eng Lit degrees and know a bit of post-modernism when it smacks them in the face. But Doctor Who is an evolving meme. When it began all those years ago with William Hartnell, it was a kind of British Lost in Space with Ian and Barbara kidnapped by our titular anti-hero (ironic that much later he would assume the alias Doctor Smith!). It evolved over the years through Troughton’s clowning, Pertwee’s dandy adventuring and Bakers irreverent morality into the kiddie scaring gothic/ Sci Fi myth that we know today In this newest new season of Nu-Who, show runner Steven Moffat has done a fine job so far of scaring the kids shitless. Starting with a small girl left scarily alone in a scary old house in the country with a scary crack in the wall and the Doctor as potentially scary imaginary friend, scary game of musical statues, scary shiny toys (the new Daleks) scary old bi-polar disorder, scary thing at the top of the stairs (at least twice) scary being sucked into the earth, scary end of the universe (again) I could go on.
Nu-Doctor, lantern jawed Matt Smith's take on this iconic role (which it has become a cliché to refer to as 'actor proof’) is to make it totally self-referential. Look at how many times he's looked in a mirror this season and seen an image of an earlier Doctor. As if to remind us that this daft young man is the same person as the daft old man who he is almost completely unlike. Matt Smith is a nervy Doctor; a Doctor who reacts on the hoof, he knows his own reputation and isn’t afraid to proclaim it from the rooftops (literally) but doesn’t seem quite sure if he can live up to it. Doctor Eleven is a Doctor who knows that he is going to do something incredibly clever but hasn't thought of it yet; a Doctor who won't know what his plan is until he's finished talking; a Doctor who is concerned about being Doctor Who…
’I'll do a thing. I don't know what thing yet. It's a thing in progress. Respect the thing.’
So Moffat decides (like Kirby, Gaiman, Moore and Morrison in comics) to explore the source of the River of Stories and deal with fairy tale and myth; specifically the ‘Hero’s Journey’. The whole series presents us with a linear narrative - Amy’s, and of course our, (the viewers) imaginary friend the Doctor ‘travelling in time having adventures and fixing stuff’. This ideal narrative is broken up by a series of annoyances, or monsters, or bad dreams which become our (the viewers) episodic experience of the journey.
‘Amy Pond. All alone. The girl who didn’t make sense. How could I resist’
Classic fairy tales or folk myths are often concerned with the taming of wayward females and the control of desire. Here we have Amy as a Red Riding Hood Princess lost in the Space/Time forest, who must be rescued by two friendly male archetypes - Rory and the Doctor (alternating as husband/brother/father figures) and whose final destination is marriage. The River of Stories itself is represented by River Song who assumes various identities and is positioned here as a trickster heroine and as a literal embodiment of the ‘Old Wive's Tale’: The Scheherazade storyteller, who spins her narrative ('spoilers') throughout the Doctor's timeline. Plus, of course, she's his wife (probably) and therefore symbolically Amy's wicked stepmother.
I'm loving it. The odd excursion into 'thisdoesn'tmakesenseness' is okay with me. It isn't (as Pratchett has just spotted) Hard SF. Sometimes this marvellous old show should be allowed to be expressionist. Because, as a chaos magic antidote to Britain’s Got Talent, this show with its impossible planets, its space station UK with London Tube signs and lollypop ladies on the back of a space whale that loves children, or its caricature Winston Churchill playing with toy Daleks and Spitfires, or a sad Vincent Van Gogh who makes you cry is something that should not only be allowed on TV on a Saturday night, it should be bloody well compulsory.
‘Okay kid – this is where it gets complicated’
In a break from his predecessor’s style Moffat, while delivering the requisite season scattered clues, avoided them resulting in a ‘Big Bad’ (Wolf). Was Moffat going to be cheeky enough to incorporate RTD’s first major arc into his own? Retconning the Bad Wolf meme into his Fairy Tale trope? No. The Pandorica turned out to be empty. No monster. Forcing us to ask - what is the Doctor without his monsters?
‘Are you afraid of them? ‘No They’re afraid of me’
Plus Matt Smith in a Fez. I love the Fez! Some of you may not have got the resonance that particular choice of headgear has for us Brits. I can only direct you to Google or Wiki the name Tommy Cooper. A much loved English TV and stage conjuror whose shtick was to hide an extraordinary talent behind a carefully rehearsed ineptness. Remind you of anyone?
In the season long build to the finale where the Doctor escapes from the Pandorica and Amy takes his place, the narrative is broken into non-linear and often repetitive moments of recall, planting visual and verbal information about scenes that haven't happened but will happen or that have happened and we don't know why they have until the explanation appears further along the narrative. Moffat is testing our ideas about time and the use of empirical and metaphysical paradoxes in the science fiction genre. So the Doctor, who is now almost totally imaginary, pilots the Pandorica and sets the controls for the heart of the Tardis/Sun. Has the Doctor now really become the man who ‘burns at the centre of time’?
And all the while maintaining the ‘Fairy Tale’ motif - Amy wakes up aged 7 and has regained her lost parents (another fairy tale reverse). Then we see Amy wake up aged 21 where she momentarily thinks she's not got parents. – as though she’s woken from a disturbing dream. A kind of anti-Sleeping Beauty. Pandora’s Box is opened and merges with the Tardis. Instead of Beauty and all her castle being put to sleep they’re the only ones awake, it’s the rest of the universe, which needs Amy to remember it into life again. There’s a wedding instead of a christening, in which the Fairy Godmother/River Song arrives to complete the festivities. Preparing the stage for the triumphant return of the Imaginary Friend our very own Hero with a thousand faces - Doctor Who.
Hello everyone. I’m Amy’s imaginary friend. But I came anyway!
‘How could we forget the Doctor?’ asks Rory for all of us when that big, old, borrowed, blue box re-materialises in the middle of his wedding.
‘I’ll be a story in your head. That’s okay – we’re all stories in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? Because it was, you know. It was the best. About a daft old man who stole a magic box and ran away.’
765 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:24 pm
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Damn.
There's so much great stuff there in your assessment i'm frankly a bit terrified to post any final thoughts of my own. I love how you really showed the fairytale themes in the writing, there's more than i thought this series had. Also I never thought of River as a stock character like the trickster. Great job man!
There's so much great stuff there in your assessment i'm frankly a bit terrified to post any final thoughts of my own.
I love how you really showed the fairytale themes in the writing, there's more than i thought this series had. Also I never thought of River as a stock character like the trickster. Great job man! 766 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:31 pm
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^ 
Thanks. A lot of it was inspired by various negative reviews I'd seen. I just couldn't believe these people had been watching the same show as me. I went on a little longer than I wanted to (you shoulda seen the stuff I cut!) But I'm glad you enjoyed it. please don't be put off writing your own take I'd love to see it.
Anyone else agree or disagree with my reading? Basically I'm pretty convinced this was the deepest and most multi-textual season of Doctor Who ever.
Thanks. A lot of it was inspired by various negative reviews I'd seen. I just couldn't believe these people had been watching the same show as me. I went on a little longer than I wanted to (you shoulda seen the stuff I cut!) But I'm glad you enjoyed it. please don't be put off writing your own take I'd love to see it. Anyone else agree or disagree with my reading? Basically I'm pretty convinced this was the deepest and most multi-textual season of Doctor Who ever.
767 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:44 pm
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Jherek wrote:^
Anyone else agree or disagree with my reading? Basically I'm pretty convinced this was the deepest and most multi-textual season of Doctor Who ever.
First great read and well articulated. Secondly, I also agreed with your assessment of the show this season. I don't think people understand that this is a young variation of the Doctor, that will be clever, but at the same time he's still questioning who he is (Amy's Choice). I hope we see more of this next season.
768 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:08 pm
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TheeDoctorWhoHasDreads? wrote:Jherek wrote:^
Anyone else agree or disagree with my reading? Basically I'm pretty convinced this was the deepest and most multi-textual season of Doctor Who ever.
First great read and well articulated. Secondly, I also agreed with your assessment of the show this season. I don't think people understand that this is a young variation of the Doctor, that will be clever, but at the same time he's still questioning who he is (Amy's Choice). I hope we see more of this next season.
Again thanks. BTW I've noticed that sometimes longer stuff written in spoiler boxes somehow interferes with some Sig pictures when opened. This can be rectified by resizing your windows screen to 150% and sizing it back.
769 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:01 am
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770 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:21 am
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That's kind of cool.
771 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:06 am
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I really enjoyed this week's episode, about the flat on the second floor. It seemed to me that in this instance, Smith's Doctor was pulling liberally from the Tom Baker era, and was really nailing it in most instances.
Next week is the first episode involving the Pandorica, which I guess means that we're slogging right towards the end. I can't wait to go back and read all the spoiler boxes.
Next week is the first episode involving the Pandorica, which I guess means that we're slogging right towards the end. I can't wait to go back and read all the spoiler boxes.
772 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:00 pm
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superdoug wrote:I really enjoyed this week's episode, about the flat on the second floor. It seemed to me that in this instance, Smith's Doctor was pulling liberally from the Tom Baker era, and was really nailing it in most instances.
Next week is the first episode involving the Pandorica, which I guess means that we're slogging right towards the end. I can't wait to go back and read all the spoiler boxes.
Pretty much sums it all up Doug.
773 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:16 pm
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Your in for some good times my friend.superdoug wrote:I really enjoyed this week's episode, about the flat on the second floor. It seemed to me that in this instance, Smith's Doctor was pulling liberally from the Tom Baker era, and was really nailing it in most instances.
Next week is the first episode involving the Pandorica, which I guess means that we're slogging right towards the end. I can't wait to go back and read all the spoiler boxes.
774 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:58 pm
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You're gonna love the finale!superdoug wrote:I really enjoyed this week's episode, about the flat on the second floor. It seemed to me that in this instance, Smith's Doctor was pulling liberally from the Tom Baker era, and was really nailing it in most instances.
Next week is the first episode involving the Pandorica, which I guess means that we're slogging right towards the end. I can't wait to go back and read all the spoiler boxes.
775 Re: The official; Doctor who thread Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:13 pm
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Some news on the X-mas special:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/07_july/12/doctor_who.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/07_july/12/doctor_who.shtml
Production starts today (Monday 12 July) on the 2010 Doctor Who BBC One Christmas Special in which the thrilling adventures of the Eleventh Doctor (Matt Smith) and newlyweds Amy Pond (Karen Gillan) and Rory Williams (Arthur Darvill) will continue in a fun-filled and heartfelt festive story.
In the grand tradition of Doctor Who Christmas specials, this year the show has once again attracted stellar guest stars as veteran actor Michael Gambon (Harry Potter, The Singing Detective) and opera diva Katherine Jenkins, in her first acting role, join the Time Lord for what might be his most Christmassy adventure yet!
Arriving on set for her first day of filming, Katherine Jenkins said: "I'm over the moon to be involved in the Doctor Who Christmas Special – I can't quite believe it as it's a part of the family tradition at the Jenkins household. I heard the news that I got the role on my 30th birthday and it was the best birthday present ever!"
About the series, lead writer and executive producer, Steven Moffat, commented: "Oh, we're going for broke with this one. It's all your favourite Christmas movies at once, in an hour, with monsters and the Doctor and a honeymoon and – oh, you'll see. I've honestly never been so excited about writing anything. I was laughing madly as I typed along to Christmas songs in April. My neighbours loved it so much they all moved away and set up a website demanding my execution. But I'm fairly sure they did it ironically."
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