Blackest Night

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Mnemosis wrote:Hmmm... yes. Weird.

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Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

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LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

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I think this is somewhere in the same realm as Galactus taking on the form of those viewing him.

Black Hand was his channel, therefore he may bear some similarities. Just a thought, but there may be something more..

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LordD3r3k wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:Cap's resurrection wasn't shitty at all, did you read it? The timing issues due to delays sucked but the actual story was pretty damn good.

Not trying to say the story wasn't entertaining, but what killed it was that the story itself was completely pointless. There was no reason to go through that entire debacle, as I already outline in the Cap thread.

LordD3r3k wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:

LordD3r3k wrote:Uh, Batman never died.

And if you're referring to Final Crisis, the day the issue came out Morrison and Didio both confirmed he wasn't really dead, just that it's the next chapter in his story. They never tried making anyone believe he really died.

Which I actually think was a huge mistake. They should have at least left it ambiguous to keep some kind of suspense. Batman's "death" could have been a huge moment that I think DC missed out on.

But if they said Batman was dead, to which he really wasn't and they brought him back as inevitably would happen, we'd get even more rants like the one K-Whack is currently cooking up.

I think for once, a comic company was trying to be upfront with the fans

LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

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I think this is somewhere in the same realm as Galactus taking on the form of those viewing him.

Black Hand was his channel, therefore he may bear some similarities. Just a thought, but there may be something more..

Demonweasel wrote:I think the inclusion of the other heroes makes sense when you add in Nekron "banking" those characters that died and came back to use when he tried to extinguish the White Light. A lot has been made about this series not just being a GL story, but a story about death in the DCU. They really have had more death & rebirths than Marvel has and at the end of the story going "Okay, we're not going to do that anymore" makes sense. People *are* tired of it, and I'm sure that a lot of those deaths we've seen happen in the past year or so were done knowing that this mass rebirth was going to happen. A little low? Yes, but if it means we're not going to see as much in the future is fine by me.

What they've done is find an effective way to bring these people back all together with a lot of fanfare, and then (most certainly) have "Rebirth" style stories in Brightest Day. I'm hoping at least three on-goings spin out of BD, and it looks like two of the Rebirthers will be in Birds of Prey (and another one in Generation Lost, which now makes perfect sense to have as a series given who one of the Rebirthers is). This makes a lot more sense than trying to do each of those returns (and let's face it, even without BN 90% of those people would've been coming back anyway. That's just FUCKING COMICS) on their own and then try to relaunch a series "on its own." Editorially it makes sense, and while it can be crapped on for being "mandated" or "plot-driven," I think it's pretty clear that there was a strategy here that goes back a couple of years, and in my opinion it comes off a lot better than "I dunno, have them attack Asgard all of the sudden LOLWUT?"

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LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

Spoiler:

I think this is somewhere in the same realm as Galactus taking on the form of those viewing him.

Black Hand was his channel, therefore he may bear some similarities. Just a thought, but there may be something more..

That's an interesting theory. But Nekron generally appears in humanoid form


Hey we really might be onto something cuz like Wade, I too was always wondering why the Black Lantern symbol was based off of Black Hand rather than Nekron. I remember in that issue focusing on Black Hand (GL #43 I think), the symbol for Black Hand's father's funeral home was the Black Lantern symbol. I thought, why would Nekron use that symbol anyway? But maybe it was because Black Hand was his "tether" to the living, so he took on some of his characteristics like Derek said.

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Bigtymin504 wrote:

LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

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I think this is somewhere in the same realm as Galactus taking on the form of those viewing him.

Black Hand was his channel, therefore he may bear some similarities. Just a thought, but there may be something more..

That's an interesting theory. But Nekron generally appears in humanoid form


Hey we really might be onto something cuz like Wade, I too was always wondering why the Black Lantern symbol was based off of Black Hand rather than Nekron. I remember in that issue focusing on Black Hand (GL #43 I think), the symbol for Black Hand's father's funeral home was the Black Lantern symbol. I thought, why would Nekron use that symbol anyway? But maybe it was because Black Hand was his "tether" to the living, so he took on some of his characteristics like Derek said.

Um...I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but waaaay back in Green Lantern Secret Origins, Atrocitus recognized a young William Hand as 'the doorway to the Black' spoken of in the Blackest Night prophecy. Which, if it was at the beginning of Hal's career that this recognition took place, means that it was before Hal (or Kyle) had ever encountered Nekron. Therefore, I posit that William Hand was actually the Black Avatar, and Nekron was his 'Guardian', taking on Hand's form, rather than the reverse. That's why it was key that the attacks be focused on Hand and not Nekron.

Mnemosis wrote:

Demonweasel wrote:I think the inclusion of the other heroes makes sense when you add in Nekron "banking" those characters that died and came back to use when he tried to extinguish the White Light. A lot has been made about this series not just being a GL story, but a story about death in the DCU. They really have had more death & rebirths than Marvel has and at the end of the story going "Okay, we're not going to do that anymore" makes sense. People *are* tired of it, and I'm sure that a lot of those deaths we've seen happen in the past year or so were done knowing that this mass rebirth was going to happen. A little low? Yes, but if it means we're not going to see as much in the future is fine by me.

What they've done is find an effective way to bring these people back all together with a lot of fanfare, and then (most certainly) have "Rebirth" style stories in Brightest Day. I'm hoping at least three on-goings spin out of BD, and it looks like two of the Rebirthers will be in Birds of Prey (and another one in Generation Lost, which now makes perfect sense to have as a series given who one of the Rebirthers is). This makes a lot more sense than trying to do each of those returns (and let's face it, even without BN 90% of those people would've been coming back anyway. That's just FUCKING COMICS) on their own and then try to relaunch a series "on its own." Editorially it makes sense, and while it can be crapped on for being "mandated" or "plot-driven," I think it's pretty clear that there was a strategy here that goes back a couple of years, and in my opinion it comes off a lot better than "I dunno, have them attack Asgard all of the sudden LOLWUT?"

1) Riiiiiiiiiiiight. DC's going to lay off the resurrections. I love when comic book companies tell us this, and I love it even more when people actually believe it.

2) The Asgard attack makes perfect sense with Loki pulling Norman's strings. I don't see what's so hard to "get" about that.

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superdoug wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:

LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

Spoiler:

I think this is somewhere in the same realm as Galactus taking on the form of those viewing him.

Black Hand was his channel, therefore he may bear some similarities. Just a thought, but there may be something more..

That's an interesting theory. But Nekron generally appears in humanoid form


Hey we really might be onto something cuz like Wade, I too was always wondering why the Black Lantern symbol was based off of Black Hand rather than Nekron. I remember in that issue focusing on Black Hand (GL #43 I think), the symbol for Black Hand's father's funeral home was the Black Lantern symbol. I thought, why would Nekron use that symbol anyway? But maybe it was because Black Hand was his "tether" to the living, so he took on some of his characteristics like Derek said.

Um...I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but waaaay back in Green Lantern Secret Origins, Atrocitus recognized a young William Hand as 'the doorway to the Black' spoken of in the Blackest Night prophecy. Which, if it was at the beginning of Hal's career that this recognition took place, means that it was before Hal (or Kyle) had ever encountered Nekron. Therefore, I posit that William Hand was actually the Black Avatar, and Nekron was his 'Guardian', taking on Hand's form, rather than the reverse. That's why it was key that the attacks be focused on Hand and not Nekron.

Demonweasel wrote:2) Yeah, they suddenly show off that Loki is one the pulling the strings and have Osborn decide to attack Asgard mere seconds after it returns from Latveria, and have it happen in a way that's a shameless retread of one of their earlier events. I find it hard to believe that Marvel didn't step up their timetable for Siege by a couple of months when they saw how strong Blackest Night started.

jaydee74 wrote:

Anyway. I really enjoyed Blackest Night.

LordD3r3k wrote:

superdoug wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:

LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote:I've always wondered about this but now, I'm really wondering:

Spoiler:

I think this is somewhere in the same realm as Galactus taking on the form of those viewing him.

Black Hand was his channel, therefore he may bear some similarities. Just a thought, but there may be something more..

That's an interesting theory. But Nekron generally appears in humanoid form


Hey we really might be onto something cuz like Wade, I too was always wondering why the Black Lantern symbol was based off of Black Hand rather than Nekron. I remember in that issue focusing on Black Hand (GL #43 I think), the symbol for Black Hand's father's funeral home was the Black Lantern symbol. I thought, why would Nekron use that symbol anyway? But maybe it was because Black Hand was his "tether" to the living, so he took on some of his characteristics like Derek said.

Um...I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but waaaay back in Green Lantern Secret Origins, Atrocitus recognized a young William Hand as 'the doorway to the Black' spoken of in the Blackest Night prophecy. Which, if it was at the beginning of Hal's career that this recognition took place, means that it was before Hal (or Kyle) had ever encountered Nekron. Therefore, I posit that William Hand was actually the Black Avatar, and Nekron was his 'Guardian', taking on Hand's form, rather than the reverse. That's why it was key that the attacks be focused on Hand and not Nekron.

Isn't that what we said?

Mnemosis wrote:http://panelsonpages.com/?p=21355

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote: I left a comment for your article. Yes, one of my long ones.

LordD3r3k wrote:

Dr. Wade Fucking McNasty wrote: I left a comment for your article. Yes, one of my long ones.

Though, I do not see it.

LordD3r3k wrote:I gotta say, I love the coloring that was done through all the GL books. Everything just looked so vibrant. It was a brilliant stroke to keep a dark theme throughout, (not just to fit the mood), but to really make the colors of the Corps pop. Then again, the art on GL has been amazing for quite some time now