Batman

I can't even bring myself to read issue #700 because I'm so completely and utterly sick of Morrison on Batman. Though I will say that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the cover. I've loved it since the moment I saw it a few months back. That's why I used it for my avatar.

I thought Batman #700 was amazing. I loved how he did three interweaving stories between Bruce & Dick, Dick and Damian and then Damian. It was well done and the twist at the end of the Damian story was very interesting. I loved the pinup gallery at the end. This was indeed very well done.

Batman25JM wrote:I can't even bring myself to read issue #700 because I'm so completely and utterly sick of Morrison on Batman. Though I will say that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the cover. I've loved it since the moment I saw it a few months back. That's why I used it for my avatar.

But Batman Beyond is in it... *continues to dangle the carrot*

LordD3r3k wrote:

Batman25JM wrote:I can't even bring myself to read issue #700 because I'm so completely and utterly sick of Morrison on Batman. Though I will say that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the cover. I've loved it since the moment I saw it a few months back. That's why I used it for my avatar.

But Batman Beyond is in it... *continues to dangle the carrot*

Evil. Totally evil.

Jherek wrote:

LordD3r3k wrote:

Batman25JM wrote:I can't even bring myself to read issue #700 because I'm so completely and utterly sick of Morrison on Batman. Though I will say that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the cover. I've loved it since the moment I saw it a few months back. That's why I used it for my avatar.

But Batman Beyond is in it... *continues to dangle the carrot*

Evil. Totally evil.

But extremely hysterical. Do you think he'll take the bait? I do.

jaydee74 wrote:

Jherek wrote:

LordD3r3k wrote:

Batman25JM wrote:I can't even bring myself to read issue #700 because I'm so completely and utterly sick of Morrison on Batman. Though I will say that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the cover. I've loved it since the moment I saw it a few months back. That's why I used it for my avatar.

But Batman Beyond is in it... *continues to dangle the carrot*

Evil. Totally evil.

But extremely hysterical. Do you think he'll take the bait? I do.

Maybe, if someone mentions that he's drawn by David Finch..

So evil.

You people are evil. EVIL!!

I'll end up reading it soon. The fact that Batman Beyond is in it does make me want to read it more. I'm a HUGE fan of Batman Beyond.

I enjoyed #700. Having the stories interwoven was a good idea and it was done well.

Batman25JM wrote:You people are evil. EVIL!!

I'll end up reading it soon. The fact that Batman Beyond is in it does make me want to read it more. I'm a HUGE fan of Batman Beyond.

Let us know how much you love it when you do.

Rath99 wrote:I enjoyed #700. Having the stories interwoven was a good idea and it was done well.

I thought that was very well done as well. It was a cool device to use.

Well, I read issue #700. I went in with as open a mind as I could. I'll give you guys one guess as to whether or not I liked it.


Well, if you guessed that I didn't like it you're correct. I'm sorry, but I am just NOT a fan of Morrison's writing. I don't like his style AT ALL.

I hated what he did with baby Terry McGinnis.

I'm done with Morrison. I'm just done. I may get the next couple of issues of Batman that he's writing because I don't want to break up my run (it's nowhere near a complete run, but I do have every issue since I started reading comics and I don't want to break that), but from now on if I see his name attached to a book I'm avoiding it like the plague. I'm tired of wasting money on stuff I hate.

Batman25JM wrote:I hated what he did with baby Terry McGinnis.

Considering that the baby did nothing but appear as a kidnap victim, what exactly did you hate about that?

^The fact that he Jokerized him bugged the hell out of me. I mean, that Joker kid was Terry right? Honestly, half the time with Morrison I have no idea what the hell is going on.

Batman25JM wrote:^The fact that he Jokerized him bugged the hell out of me. I mean, that Joker kid was Terry right? Honestly, half the time with Morrison I have no idea what the hell is going on.

Yeah, that was him. Why was being subjected to Joker venom bad?

^It just irritated me. I don't know why. I prefer it where Terry had no direct interaction with Bat-family members prior to fighting the Jokerz with Bruce.

Batman25JM wrote:^It just irritated me. I don't know why. I prefer it where Terry had no direct interaction with Bat-family members prior to fighting the Jokerz with Bruce.

Oh, ok.

Also, it just felt forced. There was no reason that Terry should have been kidnapped as a kid and rescued by Batman/his brother. It was like they wanted there to be another tie between Terry and the Bat-family. No one knew that Terry was Bruce's biological son. I HIGHLY doubt that the guy that kidnapped him found out (assuming he even knows that Bruce was Batman, which is doubtful). So, why Terry? What was HE kidnapped? If it was stated in the book it went over my head.

I'm getting really curious about how exactly Batman Beyond is tying into the main DCU. I was originally under the impression that Batman Beyond was going to be the future of one of the other Earths, but this issue implies that it is indeed the future of the main DCU. This makes me wonder what modifications to the Batman Beyond continuity to make it fit. Is Terry still Bruce's biological son?

Batman25JM wrote:Also, it just felt forced. There was no reason that Terry should have been kidnapped as a kid and rescued by Batman/his brother. It was like they wanted there to be another tie between Terry and the Bat-family. No one knew that Terry was Bruce's biological son. I HIGHLY doubt that the guy that kidnapped him found out (assuming he even knows that Bruce was Batman, which is doubtful). So, why Terry? What was HE kidnapped? If it was stated in the book it went over my head.

I'm getting really curious about how exactly Batman Beyond is tying into the main DCU. I was originally under the impression that Batman Beyond was going to be the future of one of the other Earths, but this issue implies that it is indeed the future of the main DCU. This makes me wonder what modifications to the Batman Beyond continuity to make it fit. Is Terry still Bruce's biological son?

Multi *cough*hypertime*cough* versity But I guess you won't be reading that.

Seriously I'm really sorry you didn't enjoy 700 as much as some of us did Bats. I think you've made the right decision regarding Morrison's books though, Comics (particularly this one) are just too expensive to be buying ones you don't like.

Batman25JM wrote:I'm tired of wasting money on stuff I hate.

It was bound to happen.

LordD3r3k wrote:

Batman25JM wrote:I hated what he did with baby Terry McGinnis.

Considering that the baby did nothing but appear as a kidnap victim, what exactly did you hate about that?

I was wondering that as well.

Batman25JM wrote:^It just irritated me. I don't know why. I prefer it where Terry had no direct interaction with Bat-family members prior to fighting the Jokerz with Bruce.

Oh. I can see the point in that but it also was kind of cool in that he was destined to become the new Batman but I do see your point.


I'm not sure whether or not the Batman Beyond Universe is supposed to be the main DC future or some alternate Earth future. I am kind of hoping it's an alternate Earth to be honest but I don't think it's going to bother me one way or the other. It is good that your not buying the things you don't like. Comics are too expensive to buy books you don't like.

Batman25JM wrote:Also, it just felt forced. There was no reason that Terry should have been kidnapped as a kid and rescued by Batman/his brother. It was like they wanted there to be another tie between Terry and the Bat-family. No one knew that Terry was Bruce's biological son. I HIGHLY doubt that the guy that kidnapped him found out (assuming he even knows that Bruce was Batman, which is doubtful). So, why Terry? What was HE kidnapped? If it was stated in the book it went over my head.

I'm getting really curious about how exactly Batman Beyond is tying into the main DCU. I was originally under the impression that Batman Beyond was going to be the future of one of the other Earths, but this issue implies that it is indeed the future of the main DCU. This makes me wonder what modifications to the Batman Beyond continuity to make it fit. Is Terry still Bruce's biological son?

I didn't follow the cartoon, I had no idea Terry was Bruce's son

^Sorry if I spoiled anything for you.

It wasn't revealed that Bruce was Terry's biological father until the Justice League Unlimited episode "Epilogue", which takes place 15 years after the conclusion of Batman Beyond.

Amanda Waller decided that the world needed Batman, and when she saw that Bruce was slowing down/getting older she decided to make a new one. The name of the project to make a new Batman was "Project Batman Beyond". She got Bruce's DNA from the battlefield. She found a young couple with psychological profiles nearly identical to Bruce's parents, and injected Warren McGinnis with a nanotech solution programmed to re-write his reproductive material into an exact copy of Bruce Wayne's. Making Bruce Terry's biological son.

Years later Waller sent the Phantasm (Andrea Beaumont, first seen in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm) to kill Terry's parents. She thought that tragedy was the second half of the equation to making a Batman. The Phantasm couldn't go through with it, and Waller decided that it was wrong to kill the parents. Derek Powers (Bruce's business partner) would later have Terry's father murdered, resulting in Terry becoming the new Batman.

Batman25JM wrote:^Sorry if I spoiled anything for you.

It wasn't revealed that Bruce was Terry's biological father until the Justice League Unlimited episode "Epilogue", which takes place 15 years after the conclusion of Batman Beyond.

Amanda Waller decided that the world needed Batman, and when she saw that Bruce was slowing down/getting older she decided to make a new one. The name of the project to make a new Batman was "Project Batman Beyond". She got Bruce's DNA from the battlefield., and obtained Bruce Wayne's DNA. She found a young couple with psychological profiles nearly identical to Bruce's parents, and injected Warren McGinnis with a nanotech solution programmed to re-write his reproductive material into an exact copy of Bruce Wayne's. Making Bruce Terry's biological son.

Years later Waller sent the Phantasm (Andrea Beaumont, first seen in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm) to kill Terry's parents. She thought that tragedy was the second half of the equation to making a Batman. The Phantasm couldn't go through with it, and Waller decided that it was wrong to kill the parents. Derek Powers (Bruce's business partner) would later have Terry's father murdered, resulting in Terry becoming the new Batman.

Now Bats, You know me of old so I know you won't be offended by what I write next...

See this is what I don't get about you. You cite the above convoluted, forced, techno-babble heavy and quite frankly unreadable continuity porn. (I gave up after 'The name of the project to make a new Batman was "Project Batman Beyond". She got Bruce's DNA from the battlefield., and obtained Bruce Wayne's DNA.' ) And yet you claim Grant Morrison's writing is incomprehensible. I don't get it.

Anyway no offence meant. Really.

Jherek wrote:

Batman25JM wrote:^Sorry if I spoiled anything for you.

It wasn't revealed that Bruce was Terry's biological father until the Justice League Unlimited episode "Epilogue", which takes place 15 years after the conclusion of Batman Beyond.

Amanda Waller decided that the world needed Batman, and when she saw that Bruce was slowing down/getting older she decided to make a new one. The name of the project to make a new Batman was "Project Batman Beyond". She got Bruce's DNA from the battlefield., and obtained Bruce Wayne's DNA. She found a young couple with psychological profiles nearly identical to Bruce's parents, and injected Warren McGinnis with a nanotech solution programmed to re-write his reproductive material into an exact copy of Bruce Wayne's. Making Bruce Terry's biological son.

Years later Waller sent the Phantasm (Andrea Beaumont, first seen in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm) to kill Terry's parents. She thought that tragedy was the second half of the equation to making a Batman. The Phantasm couldn't go through with it, and Waller decided that it was wrong to kill the parents. Derek Powers (Bruce's business partner) would later have Terry's father murdered, resulting in Terry becoming the new Batman.

Now Bats, You know me of old so I know you won't be offended by what I write next...

See this is what I don't get about you. You cite the above convoluted, forced, techno-babble heavy and quite frankly unreadable continuity porn. (I gave up after 'The name of the project to make a new Batman was "Project Batman Beyond". She got Bruce's DNA from the battlefield., and obtained Bruce Wayne's DNA.' ) And yet you claim Grant Morrison's writing is incomprehensible. I don't get it.

Anyway no offence meant. Really.

Well first of all, sorry for the error. While I did know the whole story I copied the Wikipedia entry on Bruce being Terry's biological father, and then edited it down so it was more concise, and to save me from having to write the whole thing out. I missed my error.

Second, I don't think it's convoluted or unreadable. I think it's pretty straight forward. Despite my error I don't see what is so hard to understand about it.

The problem I have with Morrison is he makes these leaps out of nowhere. Instead of going from A to B he goes from A to O. I don't think he explains things well enough. Things just pop up out of nowhere.

I will say that there are some convoluted stories out there that I get. Just because it's convoluted doesn't mean it's incomprehensible. With Morrison, there are convoluted stories of his that aren't THAT hard to get. However, the majority of his work that I've read is. I just don't get his style. Maybe my brain works in a different way than others? Some writers just don't click with some readers. One person can see a story clearly while another can see it as a convoluted mess that makes no sense. I can't explain it better than that.

I can get complex stories, but his are just too insane for me to follow most of the time.

Here's a little picture to explain how I see Morrison's writing:

Batman25JM wrote:
Here's a little picture to explain how I see Morrison's writing:

That was pretty good