The Avengers Film Thread

G_Zatara wrote:Jon didn't want to do the Avengers and had said as much before IM2 was finished.

Bigtymin504 wrote:
That said, if Favreau really did complain about Marvel's Avengers influence on Iron Man 2, I'm gonna go ahead and tell him to cry me a river. He knew damn well that this was the way things were gonna be.

And as comic fans, we all want to see these movies share the same universe just like in the comics.

I just wonder what Marvel Studios will do with this cohesive universe once the actors have to inevitably move on due to circumstances or age.

Joshua wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:
That said, if Favreau really did complain about Marvel's Avengers influence on Iron Man 2, I'm gonna go ahead and tell him to cry me a river. He knew damn well that this was the way things were gonna be.

I strongly disagree. Being coerced to fast-track production with an incomplete script is a poor way to handle a skilled director who put you on the map. Iron Man was a fantastic movie and it was clear that Jon Favreau knew what he was doing, he didn't need the studio to dictate how to make a movie. If Marvel wants to hire a director that just does what they say, maybe they should hire someone who lacks creative vision, like Brett Ratner. Had Iron Man 2 been as good a movie as the first, then talks of studio influence would have less merit, but that's just not the case. Iron Man 2 had a number of problems that only further support the allegations that Marvel interfered with Favreau's direction.

Bigtymin504 wrote:And as comic fans, we all want to see these movies share the same universe just like in the comics.

Joshua wrote:Speaking as a comic fan I love the idea of multiple movies sharing a universe, but not at the expense of quality. If Iron Man 2 is the caliber of movie we can expect with Marvel strong arming directors to fulfill their vision then I'd prefer independent movies.

Bigtymin504 wrote:I just wonder what Marvel Studios will do with this cohesive universe once the actors have to inevitably move on due to circumstances or age.

Joshua wrote:A very good question that I have yet to see anyone else raise. Typically you're not going to get an actor to commit to more than three movies. This cohesive universe that Marvel wants to execute, how long do they want to do it? And if they want an indefinite universe without reboots every decade, will they simply focus on different characters or will they switch actors? I don't think either of those solutions is bad, but it'd certainly be interesting to hear what kind of long term plans Marvel has for their film franchises.

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Well I think we should take this with a grain of salt for now, at least until someone either walks or is booted.

Silent K wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Well I think we should take this with a grain of salt for now, at least until someone either walks or is booted.

Ever hear the names Terrence Howard or Edward Norton?

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Studios fast-tracking successful movies' sequels has happened since the dawn of time basically, if Favreau is complaining about that (which who knows if he really even did) then he's in the wrong business.

Silent K wrote:My point being, there's a precedent. As much as I would like to believe right along side you that the Marvel Movie Universe is one big happy family, the seams are showing, and if there's any truth to this "insider report" that RDJ might be planning on walking, I'd say unequivocally that would be their biggest and most difficult loss in the entire Avengers/Marvel cast/crew. Is he irreplaceable? No. But I'd be hard pressed to forgive them.

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Until there's a shred of evidence behind that RDJ claim, I'll continue to believe its utter internet horseshit. I'm sure you've noticed that there's no shortage of that when it comes to comic movie rumors. He's been gung ho promoting Iron Man and Avengers as recently as Comic Con and I highly doubt Marvel Studios would be dumb enough to not realize how essential he is at this point.

And I'm not saying they're all one big happy family, just that for the most part everything seems to have been pretty smooth and professional.

Joshua wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Studios fast-tracking successful movies' sequels has happened since the dawn of time basically, if Favreau is complaining about that (which who knows if he really even did) then he's in the wrong business.

Just because there is a precedent for studios making idiotic decisions doesn't mean those in the business have to happily oblige them or that what they're doing is even right. The first two Spider-man movies were mostly good because Sam Raimi was allowed to do what he wanted. The studio got involved with the third movie and churned out a complete turd. That's not the first instance of studio involvement torpedoing a project. By and large, when talented creative teams are given the freedom to make the movie they want we end up getting smashing successes, rather than the same bland, generic, formulaic crap studios are prone to produce when they take the reigns.

Have you ever been unhappy with your employer? Are you unjustified in your displeasure or in the wrong business simply because there's a history of employers doing shitty things? No. I don't think there's anything unrealistic about a director expecting to be given a certain amount of control over a project, since that's the job they were hired to do.

Joshua wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Until there's a shred of evidence behind that RDJ claim, I'll continue to believe its utter internet horseshit. I'm sure you've noticed that there's no shortage of that when it comes to comic movie rumors. He's been gung ho promoting Iron Man and Avengers as recently as Comic Con and I highly doubt Marvel Studios would be dumb enough to not realize how essential he is at this point.

And I'm not saying they're all one big happy family, just that for the most part everything seems to have been pretty smooth and professional.

The point was that this isn't the first time there has been discord between Marvel and movie talent, and so while it may not be 100% verified yet, it's not entirely off-base to believe there could be friction between Marvel and Downey.

Bigtymin504 wrote:Avengers shoot date set: February 2011!

http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1111479p1.html

Bigtymin504 wrote:

Joshua wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:
Studios fast-tracking successful movies' sequels has happened since the dawn of time basically, if Favreau is complaining about that (which who knows if he really even did) then he's in the wrong business.

Just because there is a precedent for studios making idiotic decisions doesn't mean those in the business have to happily oblige them or that what they're doing is even right. The first two Spider-man movies were mostly good because Sam Raimi was allowed to do what he wanted. The studio got involved with the third movie and churned out a complete turd. That's not the first instance of studio involvement torpedoing a project. By and large, when talented creative teams are given the freedom to make the movie they want we end up getting smashing successes, rather than the same bland, generic, formulaic crap studios are prone to produce when they take the reigns.

Have you ever been unhappy with your employer? Are you unjustified in your displeasure or in the wrong business simply because there's a history of employers doing shitty things? No. I don't think there's anything unrealistic about a director expecting to be given a certain amount of control over a project, since that's the job they were hired to do.

But you're missing the point that he and everyone in the freakin world knows that Marvel Studios wants to create a cohesive universe with all these films. He knew what he was signing up for. So if he is complaining after the fact, then I say tough luck, you knew what the deal was.

I also think you're missing the point that Iron Man was a huge success in large part because of Marvel Studios, not in spite of it. They own these charcters. They know them inside out and know how to stay true to the essence of the character unlike any other Hollywood studio before it. If Favreau got the keys to Iron Man at any other studio that didn't know shit about the character and didn't care about staying true to the character, then I'm almost certain he would have made crap movie. They both played big roles in the franchise's success.

Sandman wrote:

Bigtymin504 wrote:Avengers shoot date set: February 2011!

http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1111479p1.html

has the captain america shoot date been set yet?

We're still a few years away from the premiere of "The Avengers," Marvel's blockbuster superhero team-up movie, but that just means we have more time to whet our appetites for the culmination of Marvel's grand movie plans.

As announced during this year's Comic-Con in San Diego, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Nick Fury, and Hulk won't be the only characters to get the spotlight in the film. Among the new additions to the cast is "The Hurt Locker" star Jeremy Renner, who'll play the team's hotshot marksman, Hawkeye. MTV News caught up with Renner during the press junket for his new film "The Town," and asked him whether we'll see him don Hawkeye's classic purple costume for the film, or whether we'll get a more "Ultimates"-style take on the character.


"I think it's going to be a little more reality-based," said Renner. "You can kind of tell with Scarlett [Johansson]'s character [in 'Iron Man 2'], it's going to be more of a uniform . . . and not a big purple, comics sort of thing."

According to Renner, it's that decision to stray from the classic look that's helped the Marvel movies connect with mainstream audiences.

"That's why I think it's more palatable to audiences — there's almost a sense of reality to these superheroes," he explained. "That's what makes it interesting to me, anyway."

Asked whether Hawkeye and Black Widow will end up romantically involved in the movie as they occasionally have in the comics world, Renner indicated that it was a possibility — but the pair will start off as teammates. Given that hint, it's likely that Hawkeye could be part of Nick Fury's S.H.I.E.L.D. team a la "The Ultimates," but nothing is certain at this point.

"We will [have a relationship], I think, in this one as well," said Renner. "We're kind of a team, and what that relationship is, is still to be discovered."

Paroxysm wrote:

We're still a few years away from the premiere of "The Avengers," Marvel's blockbuster superhero team-up movie, but that just means we have more time to whet our appetites for the culmination of Marvel's grand movie plans.

As announced during this year's Comic-Con in San Diego, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Nick Fury, and Hulk won't be the only characters to get the spotlight in the film. Among the new additions to the cast is "The Hurt Locker" star Jeremy Renner, who'll play the team's hotshot marksman, Hawkeye. MTV News caught up with Renner during the press junket for his new film "The Town," and asked him whether we'll see him don Hawkeye's classic purple costume for the film, or whether we'll get a more "Ultimates"-style take on the character.


"I think it's going to be a little more reality-based," said Renner. "You can kind of tell with Scarlett [Johansson]'s character [in 'Iron Man 2'], it's going to be more of a uniform . . . and not a big purple, comics sort of thing."

According to Renner, it's that decision to stray from the classic look that's helped the Marvel movies connect with mainstream audiences.

"That's why I think it's more palatable to audiences — there's almost a sense of reality to these superheroes," he explained. "That's what makes it interesting to me, anyway."

Asked whether Hawkeye and Black Widow will end up romantically involved in the movie as they occasionally have in the comics world, Renner indicated that it was a possibility — but the pair will start off as teammates. Given that hint, it's likely that Hawkeye could be part of Nick Fury's S.H.I.E.L.D. team a la "The Ultimates," but nothing is certain at this point.

"We will [have a relationship], I think, in this one as well," said Renner. "We're kind of a team, and what that relationship is, is still to be discovered."

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/15/jeremy-renner-hawkeye-avengers-costume/

The purple tights would have looked fucking lame, so glad they're going with the "realistic" route.